2018-12-25 The lap of luxury
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:19 pm
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Not necessarily. Zoé does the same thing, remember? In fact, Domenico said she was that way even before she became famous.
As Domenico puts it in that first page you linked, Zoe is headstrong, which isn't exactly synonymous with Eva's overconfidence. Zoe's willful. It's her way or the highway; her way being that of a pragmatic professional, as I would describe it. She just has a nasty temper when things don't go as she's planned or she's defied.Gotoh wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:58 pmNot necessarily. Zoé does the same thing, remember? In fact, Domenico said she was that way even before she became famous.
Sandra also gained fame despite several disasters, with help from Zoé. If Eva's done her homework, all she needs to do is point that out.
A professional doesn't blow their stack when things don't go their way, nor do they adhere to 'do as I say, not as I do'. A pro knows how to manage properly and leads by way of example.
Zoé disagrees, 'cuz she was about to can Sandra for being in that Gamescon event, until Zoé changed her mind.RConrad wrote:And Sandra's hiccups didn't result in a more destructive disaster than what Marie did.
Zoé didn't say anything about Eva, or her methods, in that scene. She was speaking in general about how harsh the fashion industry can be. Which ignores the fact that Zoé's method isn't the only path to success.RConrad wrote:This can all be boiled down to the difference in how Zoe and Eva do things, as the former herself pointed out.
Zoe's blowing of her stack comes from being one of the few sane people in the comic. She's made to deal with the likes of Sandra, Domenico, and Cammi, etc. It's perfectly understandable why she's scowling half the time we see her.Gotoh wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:35 pmA professional doesn't blow their stack when things don't go their way, nor do they adhere to 'do as I say, not as I do'. A pro knows how to manage properly and leads by way of example.
However, that wasn't the point I was making. Eva said you can only get away with disastrous auditions once you're famous. Sandra gained fame despite several disasters. She even caught Domenico's eye just for being there and because she happened to have freckles.
Gotoh wrote:Zoé disagrees, 'cuz she was about to can Sandra for being in that Gamescon event, until Zoé changed her mind.
In both the statements I made, I was referring to how Marie destroyed the room (and a plant) and Zoe didn't need to talk about Eva specifically because Eva's method is exactly that, respectivelyGotoh wrote:Zoé didn't say anything about Eva, or her methods, in that scene. She was speaking in general about how harsh the fashion industry can be. Which ignores the fact that Zoé's method isn't the only path to success.
A sane person wouldn't mug someone for their clothes (they'd ask) and they don't kick down doors when they have a key.
Yes she did. Zoé let her off the hook in the same strip I linked to and she helped Sandra keep the DM gig when Domenico objected.RConrad wrote:By merely being chastised by Zoe, Sandra hasn't gotten away with her actions
Her current emotional state says otherwise. Eva has used and corrupted her.RConrad wrote:whereas Marie hasn't faced any repercussion whatsoever for the things she's done.
Only because it's Eva and only because she has a grudge with Zoé. So obviously the narrative will favor Zoé by proving her point. But it's possible that Marie still could've achieved the same success under a more benign talent agent.RConrad wrote:In both the statements I made, I was referring to how Marie destroyed the room (and a plant) and Zoe didn't need to talk about Eva specifically because Eva's method is exactly that, respectively
Probably column B. While I think overconfidence will be her undoing Eva might be thinking there's nothing Marie can do even if she turns on her. She burned her bridges with Zoe and she might have a reputation of being so temperamental that other modeling agencies wouldn't hire her.Spidrift wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:28 pmOne has to assume that she’s got bored with how easy it is to play a fame-hungry teenage girl with just enough natural talent that she can actually be brought on with a little work, and sabotaged herself out of sheer ennui.
Either that or Dave has remembered that he needs to end the comic fairly soon.
In what way? Sane people know how to keep it together, even under pressure. Zoé blows her stack at the drop of a dime.
If Marie had met a more benign talent agent and achieved the same success, without having to follow Zoé's methods, it'd prove my point.RConrad wrote:And by stating that Marie could achieve the success under someone else besides Eva (or Zoe), you're not really proving your point, or any point besides mine.
The majority of times we've seen her are times where she's stressed, especially later in the webcomics. From Domenico abducting Sandra, to calling Sandra in about her improptu naked 'photoshoot'. And she has a right to be angry or irritated during these times. And the first time we officially meet Eva, Zoe kept her cool when she made a threat towards Sandra.
Zoe's method is the benign way. The slow crawl to the top where no shortcuts are taken, no bribes, threats, or string-pulling. Sandra's career had bumps because of Sandra's natural magnetism towards mishaps, due to her MC status (and alcoholism). Zoe may not be a saint, but she's the preferable alternative to the manipulative and ego-maniacal Eva, especially if you don't give her reason to be angry.Gotoh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:58 pmIf Marie had met a more benign talent agent and achieved the same success, without having to follow Zoé's methods, it'd prove my point.
The only reason it didn't turn out that way, is because the narrative favors Zoé (because she's the "good guy"). Therefore, Marie has to crash 'n burn so Zoé can say told-you-so.